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Great roundup!


Get off my back, man! I voted in all 32 Duluth precincts today. If I have to fill in another circle I'm gonna scream.


You can't make me participate in this group rape called democracy and I can complain all I want to about you rapists.

Endarkenment - its the anti-renaissance.


I liked George Carlin's comment to the effect of the people who get elected are the fault of the people who DO vote, not the ones who DON'T. Of course the non-voters have a right to complain.

I do usually vote, but only for people with no chance of being elected in the US.


The onion piece is too erie


arrogant_jaded_prick: you must be a male, because only a fucking ignorant man could equate filling in black circles on a ballot with being raped.


I hazard to guess that you are female for equating rape with sex (noun or verb). Rape is about force. Voting is also about force. In this sacred system of democracy, the majority gets to force its will upon the minority. But you say it is just filling in "little black circles".

Those little circles just forced me to pay another 3/8% tax. What if I already do my part for "protecting our water, preserving habitat, creating and maintaining parks and trails, and promoting the arts and our cultural heritage" and don't wish to do more?

Too bad for the _prick.

You can back up your will with more and bigger guns than I and more and bigger thugs to use them.

Does that seem fair too you? What about times when you are not in the majority?

If you can't see the violence in voting, I have to wonder about the depth of YOUR ignorance.


And the better alternative for creating civil society in a world of billions is what, Jaded?

Each person for themselves? Anarchy? Fascism? Socialism? Chaos?

I honestly and respectfully request your opinion on this. I want to know what the alternatives are.


You have to pay a few more cents to have clean water to drink? Oh, I didn't realize that your pain was so great! If you had the balls to use a real email address, I'd send you a sympathy card to help you through these difficult times.

And there are two ways to change a current government. 1) Participate in it's structures, bending it to something more tolerable, or 2) Forcefully removing the current government and replacing it with something of your choosing.
Even if the new way of rule is far superior to the old government in every way, it will likely not be able to make up for the chaos and trauma caused by the forceful removal of the government.


vicarious,

You can't create a society. It just is. Its what happens whenever individuals get together. No central planning required.

As far as a better world. I'd like to see more individual freedom. Less slavery. Voluntary taxes. Weak to non-existent federal government. No standing federal army. No laws prohibiting what plants you can ingest.

But really my job as a jaded prick is not to suggest a better solution. My job is to prove to you what a horrible one we have now.

Cat, I'd rather you just not steal from me in the first place - a card is not really necessary. I post anonymously and with a cloaked IP for a reason, it has nothing to do with my balls.

There are more than a few ways to change government - ask Mr. Ghandi or the Estonians for a few of the more obvious ones.

And don't EVER tell me I can't complain!


Everybody wants to live
Like they wanna live
Everybody wants to love
Like they wanna love
Everybody wants to be
Closer to Free


The Bodeans pay taxes.


Because they want to?
Or because they'll end up jail if they dont?


I tire of this exchange. If you don't want to pay taxes, then don't. I'm sure we'll all do ok without the few dollars you'd be contributing anyway.


Run along, little thug girl.

Freedom means something to me. Sadly, few here care - too caught up in their class wars, their rush to get to the slop trough before the other little piggies eat it all gone, their desire to reduce everything and everyone to the lowest common denominator. Fucking Cannibals!

I want something better for my kids.


I imagine that cannibals would find you delicious.


Run along little thug girl? You keep coming to *MY* post and responding. I'm not so sure that I'm the one with brass knuckles here.
So, do you want to know why I like paying taxes, and why people who complain about it piss me off?
Fine, here ya go. If you're going to call me out in my own post, I'm going to respond.
People aren't as nice as you think. It's human nature for people to take care of themselves, and not to extend any further unless they are good people. It's evolutionary biology - care about yourself and your own offspring, everything else is just socialization.
If everyone was in a position where they could take care of themselves, the world would be a great place. Personal responsibility would bring out everyone's true potential.
However, we don't live in a perfect world where everyone can take care of themselves. We live in a world of sickness, poverty, and injuries. Even the lucky few who are in a position to take care of themselves, will eventually find themselves in positions where they can't cover for themselves. Do we expect an infant to earn it's own milk? What happens to the able worker when they are badly injured and can't work? What about the old and infirm? Just send them off on an ice flow???
I have met a few people in my life who don't like being forced to provide a small share of their wealth to provide for the benefit of others. I know I'm making a generalization, but every single one of those people I have personally met are all white, educated, middle-class individuals. They all have the opinion of "I made mine - why can't they make theirs?" None of them have realized that it was pure luck that placed them in a wealthy country, that provides free basic education, with a mostly-stable family situation, and income level to produce their lifestyle. They are the lucky ones, but look down at those who did not achieve their success. They view the world as an even playing field, where everyone starts at the same place, but determines the outcome through their own actions.
But we don't live in that world - there are people in this world that need a bit of help to get by. I know I'm privileged to be in the position that I am in, and am willing to share a small portion of my luck to help those who aren't as privileged.
And you know what, you're right for calling me out on my comment about "you can't bitch if you don't participate". Not participating is a right that everyone has, as well as the right of their opinion. But you're not going to make me feel bad about telling people that participating is empowering, or that helping those who need help is a good thing to do.
I'm sure you'll come back and add some snarky comment, and I'll of course see it in my email (since I actually use a real email address), but I'm not going to respond anymore. It's unproductive and useless. Each person has their own politics, and I don't feel the need to defend my beliefs to some anonymous ass on the internet.


At least he knows he's a prick.


I know it's a little late in the game but... what the f&ck?! I don't know about this place anymore. Temper tantrums galore! I guess I don't understand freedom of speech. Freedom to Bitch apparently. Not useful bitching either. Actually, white man syndrome whining. Yuck. I'm done with this.


if you have a job, you pay taxes. if you buy a burger, you pay taxes. if you buy gas, you pay taxes.

if you do none of the above, you're living off someone else who does pay taxes...which makes you a leech.


I think this thread proves that reading and taking seriously the books written by the hideous Ayn Rand can poison one’s mind.


So in your world the only way to do good deeds is through force? Tax slavery shall set us all free?

In the olden days, before Marx, there was this thing called charity. It was a beautiful thing. You weren't forced to participate, but many did.

I give to charity but I am very selective about it. I want to be sure that what I give gets used efficiently. Very often this means I do direct charity. That's right, I talk to the people I help. I take an interest in their lives. I sometimes even take them into my home and adopt them as part of my family.

Take your self righteous, true believer bullshit and shove it wherever you'd like.

But I'm an evil white man
My only claim to fame
is my propensity to violate the rights of all humanity

-Hindu Rodeo


arrogant jaded prick is such a laughable moron. fuck off buddy.


Bad Cat, you expressed it beautifully. Thanks for the standing up to this and to all the other arrogant jaded pricks in the world who don't believe in a social contract, because they prefer to live in some "Lord of the Flies" world, where only the fittest survive and everyone else can go to hell.


Yeah, he's clueless. The worst kind of pseudo-anarchist/libertarian is the righteous kind. Righteous anarchism is an oxymoron, moron.


clueless and highjacking a perfectly good blog with your fucked up and pessimistic views.


thanks, asshole, for fucking up a really good thing with your rampant arrogance.

fuck you and fuck your ego. fuck your anarchy and fuck your lyrics. fuck your beats and fuck your message.


come on arrogantj.p.-
don't you have some pithy quotation or hipster lyrics to show us how sad we all are?
How about some Billy Joel, douchebag?

Better yet, cloak yourself some more.


"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization" - Oliver Wendell Holms, Jr.


I would like to get my due here. Can't remember the thread but I was the one who gave AJP his name. Well at least the Jaded Prick part anyway. He added the arrogant on his own at an apparent rare moment of clarity.


I was wrong someone else added the arrogant part. Here's the thread that shows the evolution from Pistoffnick to Arrogant Jaded Prick. It is interesting to note he was obsessed with the rape thing even then.

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/2008/09/where_to_get_obama_yard_sign.html#comments


he posts anonymously because letting people know who he really is would jeopardize his free ride and his perceived popularity.

it's got everything to do with balls.

i'll say it again:

fuck you and fuck your ego. fuck your anarchy and fuck your lyrics. fuck your beats and fuck your message.

and i'll add one more:

just fuck off.

fucker.


It probably won't suprise anyone that I like A.J.P.'s posts. Plus, I think I might actually know him.


You're just happy that there's someone on this blog that takes some heat off of you. You don't seem nearly as prick-like with him around. Almost likable in comparison....;)


I wouldn't go that far, Chris.


Chris - you're right about AJP being obsessed with the rape references (I stopped reading that post after it got really negative & pessimistic).
He probably cloaks his ip address because he got banned from posting.


Chris,

Yeah. You're probably right.


"Bleat!" sing the sheep in near perfect unison. It seems the lone wolf has touched a tender nerve. What, you are worried that your collective facade can't withstand serious scrutiny?

bummer,dude explains in most devolved english:
"fuck you and fuck your ego. fuck your anarchy and fuck your lyrics. fuck your beats and fuck your message."
Brilliant logic, a supreme debate tactic, and quite coherent! Thanks but I'm not really interested in your diseases.

And some truther brought up the "social contract", also known as the original sin of politics. I don't remember signing this contract. I don't believe in unfair contracts. I don't believe in a philosophy that slaps the shackles on even before one has a fighting chance.

Drink your Koolaid, genuflect to your dear leader ("The ONE!"), and continue your doomed devolution. I'll watch laughingly.

Let the endarkenment begin!


Burly?


AJP said, “But really my job as a jaded prick is not to suggest a better solution. My job is to prove to you what a horrible one we have now.”

I think AJP has failed at his job here. Administrations come and go—some good and some not so good, but our Constitution and our republic have withstood the test of time. It may not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the government you would get if you put a bunch of Ayn Rand objectivists in charge. If our system is so terrible, I do believe you are free to move to some other corner of the world. There is no force of law keeping you here.

Direct democracy can lead to the tyranny of the majority as evidenced by Proposition 8 in California. The progressives of the early 20th century were wrong when they promoted initiative and referendum. However, AJP’s argument seems to go a lot farther than that. No standing army?

“I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.” Jack Handey


I don't agree with AJP on his political theory (in fact I agree with Bad Cat--though I think his would be fine if a random 99% of the human population would die off first) but I think he makes a lot more sense than writing fuck repeatedly, or not reading something because you think it's negative, or anonymous cops complaining that he posts anonymously.

Also, I'm usually happily unemployed, don't eat burgers, don't have any machines to buy gas for . . . be a leech, not a sheep; wild, not domesticated and fed well to distract you til you're ready to be slaughtered.


If you don't want to pay taxes and be a part of the society it has taken generations to build, fine. I have a few demads though. DO NOT: drive on our streets, send your kids to any public school, public parks and beaches are off limits to you as well. In fact, you might as well move to the middle of no where and build a survivalist shelter and be a hermit, that sounds like your fantasy camp to me. If you don't find it worthwhile to help those who are less fortunate, than you can create the Benevolent Dictatorship of yourself. We are a nation of bootstrappers but you need a pair of boots to strap them. I don't mind helping those get ahead in the world. Weather it is through tax based welfare, or government funded programs to help those less fortunate to have the same opportunities I had, or volunteering my time off of work to help at the Damiano or CHUM. We are all in this together and that is just the way it is!


On the standing army thing. I though the Constitution(I think that was the document) said we were supposed to raise an army when needed. Not to have a standing army.


the only tender nerve this lamb got touched was the one that's sick of yuppie lyrics.The rest of what he says is a big huge bore.
bleat.


Anarchy, I am not really sure how in 2008 to interrupt Section 8 clause 12 of the Constitution, but clause 13 does say that Congress is responsible for maintaining a navy. I kind of like the idea of passive anarchy in theory, but I can’t imagine how it could ever work in practice.


Dave S. wrote: "Taxes are the price we pay for civilization" - Oliver Wendell Holms, Jr.

I imagine if my salary came from others taxes as Mr. Holmes' did, I too, would exhort the slaves to work harder.

To show you just how swell a guy Ollie Holmes was, here is another quote:
,"It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind . . . three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Forced sterilization for undesirables...the man was on a power trip. But then most politicians are.


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